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It is not clearly when the alleged conversation took place.
It is not clearly when the alleged conversation took place. Voice thought to be Nuland's: What do you think?
Jonathan Marcus: At the outset it should be clear that this is a fragment of what may well be chat ucrania larger phone conversation. But the US has not denied its veracity and has been ucrqnia to point a finger at the Russian authorities for being behind its interception and leak.
Voice thought to be Pyatt's: I think we're in play. The Klitschko [Vitaly Klitschko, one of three main opposition leaders] piece is obviously the complicated electron here.
Especially the announcement of him as deputy prime minister and you've seen some of my notes on the troubles in the marriage right now so we're trying to get a read really fast on where he is on chat ucrania stuff. But I think your argument to him, which you'll need to make, I think that's the next phone call you want to set up, is exactly the one you made to Yats [Arseniy Yatseniuk, another opposition leader]. And Chwt glad you sort of put him on the spot on where he fits in this scenario.
And I'm very glad that he said what he said in response. Jonathan Marcus: The US says that it is working with all sides in the crisis to reach a peaceful solution, noting that "ultimately it is up to the Ukrainian people to decide their future".
However this transcript suggests that the US has very clear ideas about what the outcome should chat ucrania and is striving to achieve these goals. Russian spokesmen have insisted that the US is meddling in Ukraine's affairs - no more than Moscow, the cynic might say - but Washington clearly has its own game-plan. The clear purpose in leaking this conversation is to embarrass Washington and for audiences susceptible to Moscow's message to portray the US as interfering in Ukraine's domestic affairs.
I don't think Klitsch should go into the government. I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it's a good idea.
I guess I'm just thinking in terms of sort of the process moving ahead we want to keep the moderate democrats together. The problem is going to be Tyahnybok [Oleh Tyahnybok, the other opposition leader] and his chat ucrania and I'm sure that's part of what [President Viktor] Yanukovych is calculating on all this. Nuland: [Breaks in] I think Yats is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience.
He's the He needs to be talking to them four times a week, you know. I just think Klitsch going in Pyatt: Yeah, no, I think that's right. Do you want us to set up a call with him as the next step? Nuland: My understanding from that call - but you tell me - was that the big three were going into their own meeting and that Yats was going to offer in that context a Is that not how you understood it?
I think Cnat mean that's what he proposed but I think, just knowing the dynamic that's been with them where Klitschko has been the top dog, he's going chat ucrania take a while to show up for whatever meeting they've got and he's probably talking to his guys at this point, so I think you reaching out directly to him helps with the personality management among the three and it gives you also a chance to move fast on all this stuff and put us behind it before they all sit down and he explains why he doesn't like it.
Nuland: OK, good. I'm happy. Why don't you reach out to him and see if he wants to talk before or after. Pyatt: OK, will do.
Nuland: OK Jonathan Marcus: An intriguing insight into the foreign policy process with work going on at a of levels: Various officials attempting to marshal the Ukrainian opposition; efforts to get the UN to play an active role in bolstering a deal; and as you can cht below the big guns waiting in the wings - US Vice-President Joe Biden clearly being lined up to give private words of encouragement at the appropriate moment.
Pyatt: Yeah I saw that. Nuland: OK.
Washington and Brussels have not been completely in step during the Ukraine crisis. The EU is divided and to some extent hesitant about picking a fight with Moscow.
It certainly cannot win a short-term battle for Ukraine's affections with Moscow - it just does not have the cash inducements available. The EU has sought to play chat ucrania ucranja game; banking on its attraction over time. But the US clearly is determined to take a much more activist role.
Pyatt: No, exactly. And I think we've got to do something to make it stick together because you can be pretty sure that if it does start to gain altitude, that the Russians will be chat ucrania behind the scenes to try to torpedo it.
And again the fact that this is out there right now, I'm still trying to figure out ucramia my mind why Yanukovych garbled that. In the meantime there's a Party of Regions faction meeting going on right now chat ucrania I'm sure there's a lively argument going on in that group at this point. But anyway we could land jelly side up on this one if we move fast. So let me work on Klitschko and if you can just keep The other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych but we probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.
So Biden's willing. Pyatt: OK. Jonathan Marcus: Overall this is a damaging episode ucrxnia Washington and Moscow. Nobody really emerges with any credit. The US is clearly much more involved in trying to broker a deal in Ukraine than it publicly lets on. There is chat ucrania embarrassment too for the Americans given the ease with which their communications were hacked.
But is the interception and leaking of communications really the way Russia wants to conduct its foreign policy? Goodness - after Wikileaks, Edward Snowden and the like could the Russian government be ing the radical apostles of open government?
I doubt it. Though given some of the comments from Vladimir Putin's adviser on Ukraine Chat ucrania Glazyev - for example his interview with the Kommersant-Ukraine newspaper the other day - you don't need your own listening station to be ucraina about Russia's intentions. Russia he said "must interfere in Ukraine" and the authorities there should use force against the demonstrators.
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